Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Thread starter ATX762; Start date Jul 21, 2017; 1; 2; Next. Mag. However, many gunwriters and hunters alike quietly went about loving the way the .280 Remington performed. It is the success of the 7x57mm Mauser which has caused so many cartridges to be necked up or down to hold 7mm bullets; the .280 Remington is no exception. Same with a 7-08 vs a 270 or 280. You may contacxt E.R. It’s essentially a short-action round that has the potential to run neck-and-neck with the longer .280 Remington. Of course you are right on the money. The switch would later be made to the 139-grain spitzer bullet at a much higher velocity, though the heavier bullet—and the Mauser rifle—made the 7x57mm Mauser’s reputation in the hunting fields. (In the case of the 7x57, also 175 grain bullets.) The 7x57 would seem to fit the bill, and I like the idea of using such an old chamfering, but would a 7x64 be a more pragmatic choice? _____ "So many rifles; so little time." The .280 Remington retains the same 17-degree 30-minute shoulder of the .30-06 but uses the 2.54-inch case of the .30-03 Springfield. Those were right around 50 KPSI and 2800 FPS. 1941 270: 1895 7x57: _____ Ray. They also need less powder … 270 Win vs. 7x57 If you had these two calibers and they shoot equally well which would you keep and why? as a benchmark, according to the Remington website for same bullet factory load. vs. .300 Wby. Killing a bull cleanly takes a good cartridge. Introduced in 1925, the .270 is a necked-down .30-06 that holds .277 diameter bullets. Check it out! The Contestants. That said, the 7x57mm Mauser can be a very versatile cartridge as well. With good handloads the cartridge comes very close to 7mm Remington Magnum performance--and does it in a shorter barrel while burning a whole lot less powder. One of the greater benefits of the 57mm case design is that velocity is limited to a level which tends to bring about optimum bullet performance with regard to terminal ballistics. There is a long list of cartridges that spawned from other cartridges that became phenomenal creations. Nov 14, 2017 But, a handloader and a modern rifle can run it at modern pressures up to 58-60K psi. Cartridge Fight: .270 Win. It is a flat-shooting cartridge, and though it does have more recoil than does the Mauser, it’s very user-friendly. ... • .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington • .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser Among many of the East African settlers, the sheer availability of both rifles and ammunition were good reason for using the cartridge on nuisance animals like lion, leopard and the plentiful antelope. I've loaded the 175 in the 280 using 58 grains of 7828 for, SAAMI for the 7x57 is 51Kpsi. The 7x57, 7mm-08, 6.5x55 and .260 Rem. The fans of the .280 Remington are not legion, but they tend to be loyal and steadfast. Witold Krzyżanowski . Mag. Toute cartouche de calibre .30 fournit plus d'énergie qu'une cartouche de 7 mm comparable. Mar 2, 2013 #8 This is a bit like a 308 or 30/06 thread. The truth is that the 7x57 has proven itself adequate for even the world's biggest game under the right circumstances. The 7x57 produces velocities around 100 to 150fps slower than the .270 and .280 Remington and in doing so, tends to produce mild recoil (in suitably fitting rifles). The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. I have owned(and still do) plenty of 7x57,7mm-08 as well as .280 Remington. Mag. The 7x57 is about perfectly balanced, case size vs. bore. Calibre 7x57R en vente en ligne sur l'armurerie française, bénéficiez des meilleurs conditions tarifaires et d'une livraison très rapide. Exemples, une 7mm-08 contre .308, une .280 Rem. Cartridge Fight: .270 Win. Latest. Thanks all, I appreciate it. 270 vs 280 vs 280 AI vs 7mm Rem Mag Ammo Selection. Apr 26, 2017 #5 STOMP442 said: Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. vs. .300 Win. If hunting CXP2 game is your primary consideration, these four are exemplary cartridges, regardless of COL. All comments are welcome and appreciated. Nothing I've pointed it at in anger has gone more than a step or two.~Muir It’s worth noting, however, that some loads have been dropped. So, the 7x57 has an emotional-historic relevance in South Africa. Whether shopping for a new rifle, for perusing the used shelves of your favorite gun shop, you may very well come across a rifle in one of these cartridges, so let’s do a bit of comparing and contrasting between them. 280 Ackley Improved Load Data; 7mm Winchester Short Magnum Load Data; 7mm Remington Magnum Load Data; 7mm Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Shooting Times Westerner (STW) Load Data ... 7mm (7x57) 7mm-08 Rem. I love them all but if pushed to pick a favorite it would be the 7x57 hands down. I can't say anything about the .270 Winchester that hasn't already been written unless I lie. 280 Remington. .257 Rigby/7x57 Mauser.257 Rigby is what British gunmakers called the 7x57 at one time. 7mm STW. Supporter . In a longer tube the extra case capacity of the 280 allows more of the slow burning stuff. Does the old 7x57 offer enough to make a hunter choose it over the .280? One .270 Win round only has 280 inches of bullet drop at this range while another has 444 inches of bullet drop. vs. .30-06; 7mm STW vs. .300 Wby. 270 Win vs. 7x57 If you had these two calibers and they shoot equally well which would you keep and why? I've got a rifle hunt planned for this fall in CO and need to find some factory ammo that shoots well out of my gun. 28 Nosler. Check it out! Nous vous livrons également au drive sans-contact du Magasin de Nîmes. Go. 7x57 or 280 Remington. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. were included in that article, but could not match the four short list cartridges in the area of availability of rifles and ammunition (read popularity). That’s not the point, or at least it shouldn’t be whenever one hears the 7mm vs 30 caliber argument. Since we're comparing 7mm rifle ammo, I'd probably take the ol' .280 Remington over either, or as I like to call it, the 7mm-06. 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